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Everything saldan said is right on & the cost of the house in Isle is not bad. I have an 8x24 that was once 14' long. It cost more than 5K to add the 10' so you will be shocked by how much a house will cost. I had the house delivered to my house from ML & after remodel it was trucked back. I also built a house on site at a resort. At 8x24 my house does not move around at all, once out it stays put. It costs 50-100 to move, block & bank so I have a small skid house that I move myself. I have no experience with steel runners, personally like oak.

 



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My wife and I were up on Mille lacs this past weekend in a rental house. We have been throwing the idea around to get a ice house for the past couple of years. After staying in a 10x18 house this weekend we have decided that a wheel house if out of the question, due to the fact we got 3 growing kids and need more room than a wheel houses offers.

So, I'm not real sure how to go about this. Not very interested in buying a used one, would rather build it myself. I live 3 hrs away. Do I talk to a resort that I would like to go out of and build on site. Not real sure how one would transfer a 10x20 skid house over the road if I was to build it at home.

hope you guys understand what I am say, but thanks for any info anyways



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Most of the resorts will help you out as much as possible. When I first started fishing ML, we were at wilderness, moved to Castaways. We built a 10x20 at the resort, Marty at the old liberty beach welded us the skids and frame. Moved the frame to castaways, we built it from the floor up, few years later had Dale Thiele in Isle move it for us to Macs Twin Bay. You can always find someone to move the house, depends on price.

You can have the store in isle build one for you as well, I believe they have a 10x20 or 12x20, unfinished, for sale now for $5900.00, just south of portside east side of hwy47.

Talk to the resort first, some will not pull a 10x20 house, Agate bay used to have a 10x18 limit as I recall. Watch the height and the weight of it as well. Do not go cheap on the heater. 



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Joe blip made a reference to the difference between oak wood and metal skids. While oak is a hardy wood, and both of my 14 ft houses had them, I personally believe that when you start getting into the 20 ft length houses, with the weight of the house and jacking up the house, metal skids will last longer than wood oak. With the last few years minimal snow in beginning of the year, the sharp choppy ice can chew up the wood, with a snow pack, no pblm. More of a personal preference. Discount Lumber store in Isle can provide alot of information, they build them and sheds, etc..

Although you are hesitant about a used house, depending on next years slot size and fish limits, their could be quite a few houses for sale thru out the Mille Lacs area. Both craigs list and the individual resort websites list houses for sale. Insulated floors are nice to have, generator or 12 volt or both or solar power? I am guessing your avg basic 10x20 ice house to build it new righ now with rattle reels, heater, etc will run btwn $7,000.00 and $8,500.00, that depends on how basic you want to go, The fancy ones all add up the price.

Other idea would be to try to peek inside a few of them that are for sale to get some ideas what you want inside.



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Thanks for all the info guys. We are about 90% sure we will build ourselves but will keep an eye out for a used one for the right deal. I just dont want to wait on trying to find a used one and then its to late to start building one. Been drawing and figuring out material, I was planing on using 2x4 for the floor and 2x3 for walls and bolting the corners for added strength. Talked to the guys in isle, and i havent really decided wether to gp with steel or oak skid. Im leaning toward the oak. If u guys have any more info, i will be glad to soak it up like a sponge. Thanks

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Everything saldan said is right on & the cost of the house in Isle is not bad. I have an 8x24 that was once 14' long. It cost more than 5K to add the 10' so you will be shocked by how much a house will cost. I had the house delivered to my house from ML & after remodel it was trucked back. I also built a house on site at a resort. At 8x24 my house does not move around at all, once out it stays put. It costs 50-100 to move, block & bank so I have a small skid house that I move myself. I have no experience with steel runners, personally like oak.

 As I said before, saldan did not give you any bad advice & got me thinking about the runners. This year I watched as the resort guy blocked my house & he raised it from one end high enough to put 6" blocks under it. You can imagine how high he had to raise it when it's 24' long. My wood runners were bowed & the house structure was severly stressed. I would rethink using wood for the runners on a long house & also rethink 2x3 walls. My floor is 1/2" plywood, 3/4 foam & 1/2" plywood. Doors are steel insulated doors with dead bolts.



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We built one 2 years ago at Hunter's Point.  They built the skids and gave us an area to build the house.  They build the steel skids 24' long, so they recommended we go 12 by 22.  My Dad's house was 8 by 16 and the 12' wide makes a huge difference.  I drew up 20-30 layouts, we picked one, and changed it a dozen times during the construction.  Some ideas on paper don't make sense when they are put together.  A used house isn't a bad idea if you find the right one.  Hunter's Point sells off some rentals every year, so that might be an option to check out as well.

jkam, if you would like to check out my house for ideas you are welcome to stop by. 



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Fifes house changed while they built had nothing to do with what made sense. They had to many brew skis during the process and thats just how it turned out.wink

Just kidding bud. You have a castle.



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If you have kids, bigger is better. I'm a little biased, but I recommend a barn shape with upstairs for kids. I use an attic door/ladder for access. It keeps it cool up there. Its a bonus to be able to let the kids be up there and play rather than getting in the way downstairs. Either way, 2x6 minimum



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How much ice is need to get some of these perms out on the lake? Im looking at a 10x20 and 8ft tall, but I have seen pics of perms with lofts and so on. Does any one know off had what the resorts general guidelines are for pulling some of these houses out are off hand?

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If they are driving the lake trucks, they can pull just about any shack. Think of the weight of the footprint of a truck on 4 wheels... then think of the weight of your houses footprint on 40+ feet of skids.

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Bigger is NOT better.

If you build a barn style w/loft, expect to not go out until there is 16 inches. Expect to block it up at least 6 inches to start and expect to have ALOT of drifting, which will flood you out and make a mess out of your driveway. 

If you are going to build your own house, you have ALOT of work ahead of you. I've built alot of houses, the biggest 36 feet long, and let me tell you there are MANY ways to build them. You want 2"x 6" insulated floors, with blocks for stability to start with. You should remember the weight in any plans you consider.

A good floor plan is important.

Remember the laws of Physics.



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Some good points made here......I agree with blocking the floor joists. It will make a stiffer floor and prevent any of them to fold over if you hit some bad ice and hit one of them or all!

 

We at the Red Door will not pull any of our larger houses out untill we have over our required 12 inches to start. It's just crazy, how big and heavy some of the houses are getting! you need heavy equipment to just move them around.......oh and all the furnature, T/G pine, etc...etc...Nice houses!



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I guess when you start adding 2nd floors and all the T & G, they get heavy .... LOL LOL !!!!! I would say 12" is a pretty good number.



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According to the tow guys, our house is one of the heaviest and it has been out on 12 inches.  There was some flooding, but we kept up with it and moved our house as planned once we had more ice.  This year we put it out on 16 inches and have only had to block it twice.  If I remember right, the floor is 2X6 with 3/4", a layer of foam, and 1/2", walls are 2X4, interiour is T&G, and exterior is 1x12" boards.  Its not a castle, but it sure is a comfortable.  Make sure you put in a window big enough for an A/C unit so you can use it in the summer too.



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Howdy, I am back again, I agree with a few of the comments made above. Floor needs to be at least 2x6, and blocke is better, although we did not do that, we dont have kids running around just a couple of older dogs. I have seen some really nice barn style houses on the lake and for sale on craigs list. They get tall, and heavy, and thy catch more wind, but the added height is nice for a loft stlye sleeping area. Insulated floors really help, I like having the ability to wake up at 3:30am for a rattle reel and not freeze the bare feet on the floor. We laid 1/2 inch CDX, with 3/4" pink styro, with 1/2" CDX again.

We did 6 1/2 foot side walls, but put an extreme pitch on the roof, the vaulted inside ceiling (30"wide) height is 9 1/2 ft, which gave us the room for a ceiling fan. With growing kids, you will want some ceiling height for bunks, but remember hest rises as well, One family at Macs just sold a 12x24 and bought a 12x32 (believe used rental) for more room. Also the footprint of the house makes some points, you don't want all the heavy weight on one end, spread it out, plus a truck on four wheels has a smaller footprint for the weight, Block a 20 footer on 4 sets of blocks per side, yes more blocking, but preads the weight out. We have 17" hole liners, so we start with a 4x4 and a 2x4 per block set (8 of each total).

Jacking the house, make sure you have good jack plates, and at least a 4x4 open square for pulling the house on either end. The resort truck needs something to hook to to pull the house. We had 4 bull dog jacks welded to our metal skids. tired of moving a jack around. Its easier to jack with 2 people, but have done it alone b4. 



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Not real sure i understand what u mean by blocking the floor. Just looking at some pics of some of the.perms out there, i think there is alot of cluter. Im looking at doing a floor plan more along the lines of aome of the rentals up there. Everone is intitled to do what the want with their fish house, i get that. Im just trying to max out floor space for fishing and holes, while trying to keep the wieght and material to a min. Without having it fall apart when getting pulled on or off the lake.

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If your floor joists are spaced 16", between them you put some 2x6 at 14 1/2" long nailed between them.

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That is what i thought u guys were saying, but was not totally sure. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Joe blip made a reference to the difference between oak wood and metal skids. While oak is a hardy wood, and both of my 14 ft houses had them, I personally believe that when you start getting into the 20 ft length houses, with the weight of the house and jacking up the house, metal skids will last longer than wood oak. With the last few years minimal snow in beginning of the year, the sharp choppy ice can chew up the wood, with a snow pack, no pblm. More of a personal preference. Discount Lumber store in Isle can provide alot of information, they build them and sheds, etc..

Although you are hesitant about a used house, depending on next years slot size and fish limits, their could be quite a few houses for sale thru out the Mille Lacs area. Both craigs list and the individual resort websites list houses for sale. Insulated floors are nice to have, generator or 12 volt or both or solar power? I am guessing your avg basic 10x20 ice house to build it new righ now with rattle reels, heater, etc will run btwn $7,000.00 and $8,500.00, that depends on how basic you want to go, The fancy ones all add up the price.

Other idea would be to try to peek inside a few of them that are for sale to get some ideas what you want inside.


 Hi. I'll give you some useful advice. Solar energy is a good investment for the future with a fairly quick payback. The main thing that you need to do if you decide to install solar batteries is remember to install the mppt charge controller, which help to preserve the life of your battery and prevent overcharging.



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